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	<title>Comments on: Payday Loans are Not Evil</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Duffy</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-74243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Duffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re argument that they&#039;re not evil is because people should have researched more first? Under that argument nigerian scammers, hackers, and probably rapists are all OK since the victim could have avoided each with a little more homework and education. 

I guess that&#039;s one way of looking at it, but I don&#039;t really subscribe. I think (actually know) that most people don&#039;t come close to having the time and skill to know exactly how bad a deal they were getting in the face of the friendly commercials, smiling staff, and every other dirty marketing trick out there.

Sometimes I wonder how people could be so cruel as to work for these places or even own them knowing what they&#039;re doing to the customers that use them. Oh wait, yes I do. They rationalize it by saying &quot;they know (or should have known) what they were doing so they deserve the pain they get&quot;. Like you did. 

Cheers with that viewpoint of yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re argument that they&#8217;re not evil is because people should have researched more first? Under that argument nigerian scammers, hackers, and probably rapists are all OK since the victim could have avoided each with a little more homework and education. </p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s one way of looking at it, but I don&#8217;t really subscribe. I think (actually know) that most people don&#8217;t come close to having the time and skill to know exactly how bad a deal they were getting in the face of the friendly commercials, smiling staff, and every other dirty marketing trick out there.</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder how people could be so cruel as to work for these places or even own them knowing what they&#8217;re doing to the customers that use them. Oh wait, yes I do. They rationalize it by saying &#8220;they know (or should have known) what they were doing so they deserve the pain they get&#8221;. Like you did. </p>
<p>Cheers with that viewpoint of yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny Saved</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-37862</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny Saved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because they are advertised well, doesn&#039;t mean you should take out a loan.  I ignore advertisements of all sorts, including payday loans.  

Financially speaking, they&#039;re terrible.  Doesn&#039;t mean they are evil.  You should, however, explore ALL other means to get the funding you need, before even *considering* a payday loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because they are advertised well, doesn&#8217;t mean you should take out a loan.  I ignore advertisements of all sorts, including payday loans.  </p>
<p>Financially speaking, they&#8217;re terrible.  Doesn&#8217;t mean they are evil.  You should, however, explore ALL other means to get the funding you need, before even *considering* a payday loan.</p>
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		<title>By: La la</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-35989</link>
		<dc:creator>La la</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are predatory. 

In the UK they are largely unregulated. They charge more that 1000% and use aggressive telesales methods to encourage people to rollover their loans or take out higher amounts. They even offer discounts for referring your friends! As soon as I am free of these loan sharks I am never taking out one of these loans again. 
http://paydayloantrap.synthasite.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are predatory. </p>
<p>In the UK they are largely unregulated. They charge more that 1000% and use aggressive telesales methods to encourage people to rollover their loans or take out higher amounts. They even offer discounts for referring your friends! As soon as I am free of these loan sharks I am never taking out one of these loans again.<br />
<a href="http://paydayloantrap.synthasite.com/" rel="nofollow">http://paydayloantrap.synthasite.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Penny Saved</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-24452</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny Saved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If GoodMoney is able to survive financially on low or &quot;normal&quot; interest rates, why don&#039;t they do so from day one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If GoodMoney is able to survive financially on low or &#8220;normal&#8221; interest rates, why don&#8217;t they do so from day one?</p>
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		<title>By: bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-23494</link>
		<dc:creator>bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I imagine that the situation is even worse than I&#039;m describing.  Consider that many people are chronic users of payday loans.  The article says that about half of GoodMoney&#039;s $9.50 per $100 goes to paying off bad loans.  How much of that defaulting is happening because their customers are too strapped trying to make payments to other, more predatory lenders?  It must be significant.

Also, note the fact that GoodMoney helps people convert their payday loans into low-interest loans from a partnering credit union.  The fact that this is possible *at all* is a strong indicator that a great many of these loans don&#039;t require such high interest rates in order to be profitable.

To say that payday lenders are simply filling a market niche is therefore a lie.  In most cases, these lenders are not providing a useful service so much as taking advantage of their customers&#039; lack of financial education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I imagine that the situation is even worse than I&#8217;m describing.  Consider that many people are chronic users of payday loans.  The article says that about half of GoodMoney&#8217;s $9.50 per $100 goes to paying off bad loans.  How much of that defaulting is happening because their customers are too strapped trying to make payments to other, more predatory lenders?  It must be significant.</p>
<p>Also, note the fact that GoodMoney helps people convert their payday loans into low-interest loans from a partnering credit union.  The fact that this is possible *at all* is a strong indicator that a great many of these loans don&#8217;t require such high interest rates in order to be profitable.</p>
<p>To say that payday lenders are simply filling a market niche is therefore a lie.  In most cases, these lenders are not providing a useful service so much as taking advantage of their customers&#8217; lack of financial education.</p>
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		<title>By: bryce</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-23492</link>
		<dc:creator>bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GoodMoney doesn&#039;t charge 252% APR interest.

I mean, they do over the short term, but they don&#039;t over the long term.

That is to say, once the loan is rolled over four times, lendees have the option of attending a finance workshop, after which their loan becomes interest free.  It says so right in the article.  If I took out a $100 loan with GoodMoney, and couldn&#039;t pay it off for an entire year, the effective APR would be less than 50%.  If I couldn&#039;t pay it off for 5 years, the APR would be about 10%.

In short, trying to analyze GoodMoney&#039;s service by referring to the APR is misleading.  Trying to analyze other payday lenders by their APR is not, because that&#039;s the actual interest you&#039;re paying over the life of the loan, from the day you take it out to the day you pay it off.  So citing GoodMoney&#039;s APR as &quot;proof&quot; that payday lenders &quot;need&quot; to charge such outrageous fees is infuriating, and perhaps even dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GoodMoney doesn&#8217;t charge 252% APR interest.</p>
<p>I mean, they do over the short term, but they don&#8217;t over the long term.</p>
<p>That is to say, once the loan is rolled over four times, lendees have the option of attending a finance workshop, after which their loan becomes interest free.  It says so right in the article.  If I took out a $100 loan with GoodMoney, and couldn&#8217;t pay it off for an entire year, the effective APR would be less than 50%.  If I couldn&#8217;t pay it off for 5 years, the APR would be about 10%.</p>
<p>In short, trying to analyze GoodMoney&#8217;s service by referring to the APR is misleading.  Trying to analyze other payday lenders by their APR is not, because that&#8217;s the actual interest you&#8217;re paying over the life of the loan, from the day you take it out to the day you pay it off.  So citing GoodMoney&#8217;s APR as &#8220;proof&#8221; that payday lenders &#8220;need&#8221; to charge such outrageous fees is infuriating, and perhaps even dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Risk vs Reward</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-18171</link>
		<dc:creator>Risk vs Reward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] surely heard the terms.&#160; Risk and reward.&#160; Whether you&#8217;re talking about payday loans, stocks, 401(k)&#8217;s, or starting a business, both risk and reward are front and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] surely heard the terms.&nbsp; Risk and reward.&nbsp; Whether you&#8217;re talking about payday loans, stocks, 401(k)&#8217;s, or starting a business, both risk and reward are front and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Penny Saved</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-17240</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny Saved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Cheryl, I really do feel this way about payday loans.  They&#039;re not a *good* choice, but certainly not inherently evil.  One should only proceed with a payday loan if all other options are exhausted, and one knows the risks and costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Cheryl, I really do feel this way about payday loans.  They&#8217;re not a *good* choice, but certainly not inherently evil.  One should only proceed with a payday loan if all other options are exhausted, and one knows the risks and costs.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-17041</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Payday loans are stupid, period!  I think you&#039;re just playing devil&#039;s advocate for the sake of collecting comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Payday loans are stupid, period!  I think you&#8217;re just playing devil&#8217;s advocate for the sake of collecting comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny Saved</title>
		<link>http://www.penny-saved.com/2007/08/29/payday-loans-are-not-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-15061</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny Saved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Payday loans companies are not in business to help people with their finances... they are in business to loan money.

By the same reasoning, fast food chains should not sell burgers and fries to overweight people.  Of course that&#039;s ridiculous - could you imagine the uproar it would cause if someone were refused a meal because of their size?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Payday loans companies are not in business to help people with their finances&#8230; they are in business to loan money.</p>
<p>By the same reasoning, fast food chains should not sell burgers and fries to overweight people.  Of course that&#8217;s ridiculous &#8211; could you imagine the uproar it would cause if someone were refused a meal because of their size?</p>
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